Since we're on the subject of public understanding of science, I'd like to take a moment to rant about professional scientists' understanding of science also. My page of reference shall be http://www.padrak.com/ine/FEONBRTV.html ("Free Energy As Seen On British TV") I use this as a point of reference because it's a mixed environment of media, engineers and 'scientists', and one where I saw the TV show in question, and was quite interested and amused. An observed point in the article is that engineers would seem to have a better grasp on reality than scientists. It's a shame the page doesn't quote my favourite sentence from the show, which was one of the scientists surveying one of the free energy setups. Before he saw it he insisted there must be some error in the equipment. Voltmeter wired wrong, wrongly calibrated, something like that. So he spent several hours meticulously checking every piece of equipment, before declaring "I can't find anything wrong with it, and it seems to work, but it doesn't work because that would violate Conservation of Energy". (Or words to that effect) Does anyone else see the flaw in this? "The world can't be round, because that would violate the world being flat!" I actually found his unreasonable statement far more convincing that it works than any attempt to persuade me so would have been. If he spent hours trying to disprove it, and the best he could come up with is "It can't work, dammit!"... *here comes the science bit* I have a high-end-layman's knowledge of topics like this, and would like to observe here, for the benefit of those of you with equal or greater knowledge, some 'coincidental' things from the article. If you have no scientific bent at all, don't expect to understand much of the following. 1. Note that most of the alleged free energy devices in the article utilise pulsing of some sort. Plasma arcs pulse, and the water-based ones used deliberate controlled pulsing. Note also that this similarity is despite some of the engineers having worked totally independently. I think this lends credibility to the technology. 2. The article mentions 'aether' and 'zero point field'. I would like to stray from this in my random theory. Since none of the researchers could explain their results, I think alternative theories aren't too undesirable. 3. Consider Quantum Physics. My understanding of one of the basic demonstrable experiments of Quantum Physics is that of light through slits. Ordinarily, light shone through two narrow slits shows interference patterns. The similar Quantum Physics experiment is to send /single photons/ through slits onto a hyper-sensitive receptor. Even with only one photon at a time going through, interference patterns are shown. But what could be interfering? As far as I'm aware, the two main theories to answer this are the multiverse (where photons in other 'verses' effect the one travelling in ours) or some sort of "probability photon" or "ghost photon". I believe it is from this experiment that the famous and oft-misquoted Schroedinger's Cat tale derives. (The cat is /both/ alive and dead, not /either/ alive or dead. "Either" would be /normal/ physics. I hate hearing people quote it wrong.) [sheepish note - I later checked from the original german, and it seems a more accurate quote is to say the cat is an equal mix of alive and dead. Mine was still approximately right.] See how points 1 and 3 go together? Throwing single photons is similar to pulsing, to my eye. And though the extra light isn't harvested, its effects are seen. Perhaps the energy isn't drawn from "the aether" or "zero point field", then. Perhaps it's drawn from probability-energy or energy-in-another-'verse'. Though maybe that's what "the aether" is, since it's hardly a defined thing. My point is, if you mention "the aether" or "zero-point" to most scientists, they'll poo-poo you in seconds. "Quack nonsense theories". But they're no more quack-nonsense than Quantum Physics. (Which, indeed, many scientists also declare to be nonsense, even though, much like free energy devices, it appears to have demonstrable results) In fact, aether may even /be/ Quantum Physics, since it's undefined. Zero-point isn't, it's a quite different theory. Quite an interesting one, though. Oh, correction, it seems someone's decided to merge ZPF and Quantum Physics already. http://www.calphysics.org/research.html It even says in this article (of a much more scientific nature than the previous) that "Thermodynamic analysis has also shown that it is in principle possible to extract energy from the quantum vacuum". Hoorah for science slowly catching up with engineering. Afterthought - isn't that usually the way of developments? 1. Engineer makes new thing work that doesn't fit science. 2. Scientists try to disprove it. 3. They can't. 4. They change theories to make it proven instead. --RavenBlack, thought-filled layman.